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Aircraft History
Constructors Number 2158.

Mission History
Took off from 7-Mile Drome on a courier flight to Nadzab Airfield. Crashed into Mount
Thumb, killing all aboard: the crew of 3 and 19 passengers.

Wreckage
The crash site was discovered in the early 1980's, and reported to Bruce Hoy, then
curator of the PNG Museum Modern History Department.

Remains Recovery
The site was visited in 1982 by US Army CILHI to recover the remains for
identification.

Display
The Papua New Guinea Museum has a display about this aircraft, including the tail
stabilizer and artifacts recovered from the crash site displayed in the indoor gallery.

References
A Missing Plane deals with the history, discovery and recovery and identification of
crew members from this aircraft.
B-24D-130-CO "Weezie" Serial Number 42-41081
USAAF, 5th AF, 22nd BG. 19th BS
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Table of Contents
Introduction
The Digital Detective
The Digital Detective
Where, When.....?
A Cast Study in Digital Detective Work
The Database Detective
The Database Detective
The Ulmer Family
A Case Study in Database Detective Work
The DNA Detective
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MACR= Missing Air Crew Report
Weezie crashed in New Guinea on March 22, 1944, MACR 4090.
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B-24D-130-CO "Weezie" Serial Number 42-41081, a model
B-24 Liberator belonging to 90th bomb group "The Jolly
Rogers", the crashed into Mount Thumb while flying through
clouds over New Guinea on March 22, 1944.  All 22 aboard
were killed.  The plane was declared missing -- MACR 4090.  
The wreckage was finally discovered by natives in the early
1980's and reported to the curator of the Papua New Guinea
Museum.  Recovery teams eventually reached the wreckage in
April 1982.  All crew and passengers were eventually identified
and their remains returned to their families.
The Short Version of the Story
2nd Lt Robert E. Allred, O-679012
S/Sgt Robert C. Thompson, 34394642
2nd Lt Raymond J. Geis, O-815308
Sgt Clint P. Butler, 6939262
2nd Lt Keith I. Holm, O-752491
Sgt Stanley C. Lawrence, 20656522
Captain Charles Ramacd, 734785
Sgt Charles Samples Jr., 15069733
2nd Lt Stanley G. Gross, O-744980
T/4 Joseph E. Kachorek, 33170120
2nd Lt Charles R. Steiner, O-749103
Cpl Joseph B. Mettam, 39109096
2nd Lt Melvin F. Walker, O-737508
Pfc Carlin E. Loop, 37495005
2nd Lt Emory C. Young, O-811487
Sgt Harold T, Atkins, 19018763 (22nd BG)
Sgt Weldon W, Frazier, 6282510 (345th BG)
S/Sgt Thomas Carpenter Jr., 7080836 (5th BC)
S/Sgt Frank Ginter, 20283103 (43rd BG)
S/Sgt William M, Shrake, 35092402
S/Sgt John J. Staseowski, 31007362 (38th BG)
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The Dramatic Tragedy and Triumph
of A Lost and Forgotten WWII Bomber
Missing Plane:  Book Review
http://www.pacificwrecks.com/reviews/missing.html
by Susan Sheehan
Berkley Books, 1986
244 pages
ISBN: 0425105539
The discovery, identification and recovery was the subject of
three "Reporter at Large" articles by Susan Sheehan in The
New Yorker Magazine in May 1986. They were later
published as
A Missing Plane by Putnam, 1986. According to
the online review..

A Missing Plane it is a book that readers will never forget.
Far more than just a war story it touches on the greater
tragedies of war, and their lasting effects on the survivors. It
is a story about amazing personalities in the present, who
dedicate themselves and their work to solve the mysteries of
the past. In this case, the homecoming of twenty-two of
America's nearly 80,000 MIAs from WWII.

To read the entire review, click
here.
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Robert E. Allred, The Captain of the Weezy
Susan Sheehan, A Reporter at Large
"A MISSING PLANE III-PILOT,"
Abstract of Article - The New Yorker, May 26, 1986, p. 39
http://www.newyorker.com/archive/1986/05/26/1986_05_26_039_TNY_CARDS_000345226
Weezy's Missing Air Crew Report 4090
http://www.pacificwrecks.com/aircraft/b-24/42-41081.html
REPORTER AT LARGE about Robert E. Allred of the Army Air Forces who was the
pilot of a B-24 plane that crashed on Mar. 22, 1944, on a cross-country flight from
Jackson's Drome, Port Moresby to Nadzab in New Guinea. The plane was not found &
and its 22 passengers were listed as missing by the War Dept. In 1946 the men were
declared dead.

Writer gives biographical facts about Allred. He was born in 1916, was married to
Juanita St. John, and lived in Des Moines. He was studying law before he enlisted in the
Army. Lengthy account of his training leading to his becoming a pilot in the Air Corps.
Writer also tells about the war in the Pacific Theatre where he was sent. He was
training Australian pilots just before his last flight.

On Mar. 22, 1944 Allred had a free day. He asked the officer in charge of the
Replacement Center in Port Moresby if he might take a B-24 up to Nadzab that morning
& bring it back in the afternoon. Several men wanted to go there to check the mail & to
draw A-2 flying jackets which were being issued Nadzab. One engine of the plane
wasn't working properly so they could not take off until afternoon. There has been
speculation as to what happened to cause the plane to hit the side of Mt. Thumb a few
minutes after takeoff. It's thought that Allred did not fly the course outlined to him but
took a short cut & poor visability obscured the mountain.

In 1983 positive identification of the 22 men was made from their remains by the
Army's Central Identification Laboratory in Hawaii. Tells about reactions of relations
when informed. Juanita had remarried as had most of the other women whose
husbands had been lost. She chose to have Allred buried in Hawaii at Punchbowl, the
National Memorial Cemetery of the Pacific.
How did Weezie get her MACR?
1942 USAAF Serial Numbers (42-39758 to 42-50026)
http://home.att.net/~jbaugher/1942_2a.html




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The Quiz Photo of Weezie with Many of Her Specifications
http://www.b24bestweb.com/weezie3.htm

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Project Priam, Recent Recoveries
http://www.pacificghosts.com.au/priam/recoveries.asp
Currently Listing:
3,556 Personnel
365 Aircraft
Thanks to Dale Niesen for suggesting this quiz.
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41081 (90th BG) crashed into mountain in New Guinea Mar 22, 1944 on ferrying flight
from Port Moresby to Jackson Aerodrome at Nadzab.  MACR 4090.  Crew of 3 and 19
passengers killed.  Wreckage not found until April 1982.
For Further Information
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Project PRIAM is a new Pacific Ghosts initiative created by Daniel Leahy in 2006 to
document those still missing in the Pacific Theatre of the Second World War.  Using
information gathered from relatives, eye witnesses, official documents and other
sources we are putting the pieces together in the hope of one day helping to locate
some of those personnel with "No Known Grave". Read
more...
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This puzzle was great.  It sent me to my files to find the MACR on my father's WWII
plane.  I couldn't find the actual MACR for my father online, but there is a web site
with quite a bit of information,  
http://www.388bg.org/. My father James F. McClure
was also downed March 6, 1944 . The name of his plane was "A good ship and a
happy ship".   He had been a part of the first daylight bombing run to Berlin.  He was a
waist-gunner on a B-17.  His entire crew survived after being hit by flack and bailing
out of their plane.  They all spent the remainder of the war (14 months) as prisoners of
the Germans.  Thanks for the memories.
                                                                                        
Mary Osmar

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My great uncle, Ralph Leppelmeier, served in New Guinea in 1943, in the 5th Air Force
8th Photo Reconnaissance Squadron South Pacific.  It was my great honor to be able
to reconnect him with his long lost buddy's family this past summer.  It was hard to
hear the news that his buddy had passed away, but at least he is now once again in
contact with his buddy's son and family, thankfully, due to the Internet and this
wonderful tool at our disposal.  It made me so happy to be able to do so, as no one
from his squadron had any idea what had happened to him as they had lost contact
through the years.  At least now they know.  What a blessing to live in such an age of
technology.                                                                               
Karen Kay Bunting

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I learn so much from these weekly quizzes!  Thank you, Colleen, for providing a way
to learn and explore while having fun solving mysteries. Because of this quiz I now am
determined to find out more about my great uncle, Noel, who was a pilot for the RAF
and died in a WWII crash.                                                             
Pamela Hoffman

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I never heard of MACR before.  Very interesting.  Now is there some type of a website
that would list all the missing plances of WW II?

I submitted an article to the British Isles Genealogical Society and it was published last
month.  My father had taken some motion  pictures of a young couple on their wedding
day.  The groom was in the Army Air  Force.  That was in 1944.  His plane
disappeared in a flight from Northern California down to Southern California prior to
June of 1945.  His daughter was born then and never saw her father.  The girls mother
died when the girl was 3 1/2.  Months or years later the father was found  still frozen in
the cockpit  Obviously he crashed in some high mountains with lots of snow.  His
name was Ray Moore.  Is there any way I could find out more about the crash and
when it was found?  I would love to send it to Rayann.

The reason that I submitted the story was that the girl never saw her father and was
too young to remember her mother (her grandmother told her she was the mother.  
When Rayann was 16 she finally figured out that something was not right and
confronted her grandmother who then told her the truth).  After a lot of sluething, my
son, Chris, tracked down Rayann and sent her the motion pictures of her parents
wedding.  She could not believe how much she shared the same mannerisms as her
mother.  It was quite a moment to see her parents so happy.                 
Sharon Martin

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This was in interesting one to research.  At first I could not find what MACR meant.  
Finding that led me to data on missing air crews and much to my shock, I found one of
my high school classmates has been missing since his plane went down in 1968 in
Vietnam.  Getting back on track to Weezie, I found a book that was about the plane,
but not what happened to it.  The I changed the search to "wreck" instead of "missing"
and bingo, there it was.  I tend to get stuck on search terms and am unwilling to give
them up. Thanks for an interesting Sunday morning, and alas, a bit of mourning
for a long lost classmate.                                                           
Maureen O'Connor

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This weeks photo reminds me of two things. Where I went to Boy Scout Camp in the
1950s there was wreckage remains of a WWII fortress aircraft atop a coastal headland.
A high school classmate of mine was shot down over N. Vietnam in 1970 and his
repatriated remains were identified in 1988.                                             
Mike Dalton

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Recovered in 1982, the story featured in the book "Missing Plane" - which of course I
immediately purchased online after researching this quiz!  :)  Wow, this was another
great one!  I am so thankful for these weekly, always interesting, always fun quizzes
that point me to something I may have never known or head about before.
                                                                                          
Beth Long

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My father spend a great deal of the war at the gigantic U.S. naval base at Noumea, New
Caladonia (he was a Yeoman 1st Class in the aviation communication section. When the
war in the south Pacific began to wind down, the Navy began to ship sailors back to
the States. My dad wasn't too excited about a two-week voyage on a troop ship, so he
talked to a Yeoman in the operations section. He found out that there was an empty seat
in a B-24 courier transport leaving that night, so he got himself added to the passenger
list (yes, Yeomen really did run the Navy). He told me when that the passengers were
sitting in special seats mounted in the bomb bay. He spent the flight looking at the 1/4
inch bolt that was holding the bomb bay doors (and him) in place.

My father survived the forty hour flight just fine and was reunited with my mother in
Seattle after two days. The rest of the sailors arrived over two weeks later on a navy
cargo ship. They had all lose weight from two weeks of seasickness.
                                                                                   
George Wright

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Just got your email and it does indeed have meaning for a lot the vets and their families;
to be able to make closure on a part of their life that was not a pleasant or nice memory
just sad and sometimes painful. I know my Mom was in WW II with the Navy, she did
desk work but still remembers a lot of the things that went on where she trained (New
York). I did find this one interesting because of where the plane was found and the fact
they didn't know why it was there in the first place. Maybe they were trying to make a
deal on eliminating drug trade before it got started so heavy. Who knows ?
                                                                                       
Anna Farris

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I found this exercise fascinating, and based on the description I plan to attempt getting
a copy of the book "A Missing Plane." Is Niesen related to one of those on the ill-fated
craft? PS: I know. it's been a long time - had a little time before lunch and decided to
try it, got obsessed and finished an hour after lunch.                     
Richard Cleaveland

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The education I get on these quizzes is amazing. I couldn't even identify what kind of
plane is was when I began. My husband knew right away it was a 4 engine bomber.  
Together we got it to a B24 in a few minutes search.  Next, I found out was MACR
stood for.  Then, I worked my way to the book about the identification and recovery of
the missing in action people on the plane. Learning through discovery is very rewarding.
Thanks for another great quiz.                                                                  
Judy Pfaff
Tailfin Photo: http://www.pacificwrecks.com/aircraft/b-24/42-41081/tail-vert.html
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Crew Members of the Weezie
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Comments from Our Readers
The Papua New Guinea National Museum
http://www.pacificwrecks.com/restore/png/museum.html

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90th BG NOSE ART
http://www.90thbombgroup.org/noseart.htm#table

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The History of the 90th Bomb Group, "The Jolly Rogers" in Australia, WWII
http://home.st.net.au/~dunn/90thbg.htm
Wiley O. Woods, Jr
Turner Publishing,
1997
ISBN 1563111519
Price $17.05
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A Note from Dale Niesen,
Submitter of This Week's Quiz Photo
Wow, what a wealth of information [Mary]
Fraser has derived from her search on
the net. I did know some of this as I may
have stated when I sent...the image for
posting, but Mary has dug much deeper then
I had. With being a collector of such images
it is hard to find time to research all of them
as in depth as one would like. It would be
interesting to learn more about the men who
lost their lives on this ill fated trip. Also, if
Mary is up to it I think the serial number of
Weezie and the plane behind may turn up  
more information.  

Weezie's serial number is 241081 which
translates to 42-41081the "42" or year
manufactured is taken from the first number
of the serial number on the plane so this
indicates that Weezie was produced in 1942
the rest is the serial number proper which
may indicate the number of US war planes
made that year but I am not sure about that.  
The plane behind and just above (second
largest plane in photo) Weezie has a serial
number of 42-41127 and was known as:

JOSE' "EL DIABLO"   B-24D-150  42-41127

See this link:
http://www.jollyrogersweb.com/resultJr...

More on 42-41127 see page 20 of this
publication:
http://books.google.com/books..

The serial number for Jose El Diablo was
hard to see because the two ones blurred
together and looked like a 5 or 0 anything but
"11".  As you can see from the site link
above 42-41127 was a 90th Bomb Group
aircraft. Anyway this is little just more
information to add to the photograph's bio.,
etc.                                      
Dale Niesen