microbrews and over 20 wines by the glass are also available. Warm surroundings with
an urban feel include contemporary photography, hand-laid mosaic tiling, wood-paneled
walls, retro light fixtures, plasma televisions and a variety of seating options from
high-top bar tables to plush circular booths.
If we had little more info, we could probably determine the time of day. The people in
the street are heading away from the stadium and boarding the trolleys, meaning that
the game is just over. If we knew the time the game started (someone sent in 1:30
pm.) and knew the average time of a game, we could approximate the time of day the
photo was taken.
Without this more details info about the game, we can only say that the picture was
taken before sunset. On June 19, 1935, that occurred at 7:22 p.m. The picture was
taken before this.
Dave Richardson wrote in some interesting observations about the time of day. He
First thing you have to remember is that Wrigley field didn't have lights until 1988 so
all of the games would have been scheduled so that they would be completed well
before dark. Although I don't believe it would have been the games on the 21st just
because with a doubleheader it probably would have ended later than what the time
appeared to be in the picture.
If I had to venture a guess, and only a guess, I would also say the Friday the 19th. My
reasoning might be different than yours though. In 1935 very few companies worked on
weekends. From the smoke in the picture above the Collins & Wiese coal company my
guess would be that there were up and running. Just a pure guess based on few facts.
I doubt finding out the exact times for the start of games at Wrigley would be tough but
maybe not impossible. I think it matters little though seems most games probably started
no later than 1pm, double headers probably stated at 11am. Although games didn't last
as long at that time as they do now. My guess is that a nine inning game might have
went over 2 hours but might not have too. Here is an article written in 1998 that talks
about how games lasted about 2hrs and 30 minutes in the 70's,
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/forum/april98/baseball.html . My guess would be they
were a little shorter in the 30's. Also after the Tribune took ownership of the Cubs they
compromised with the city of Cicago and MLB by pushing back some game start times
until 3pm. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrigley_Field.
I look to see if I can find game start times but don't hold out much hope for that.
Summing this all up, the photo was probably taken July 19, 1935 between about 3 pm
and 7:22 pm.
The date has to be July 19, 20, or 21.
Mary Osmar came across an article in the Chicago Tribune reporting a freak thunder
storm in Chicago on the afternoon of Sat July 20.
FREAK STORM HITS CHICAGO
Bolts Strike Homes and Street Cars
Chicago Daily Tribune (1872-1963)
Date: Jul 21, 1935
Section: PART 1
Document Types: front_page
Text Word Count: 1271
Abstract (Document Summary)
A freak rainstorm, accompanied by thunder and lightning and high winds, caused great
damage yesterday afternoon in an area restricted to several of the western suburbs and
to Chicago's northwest side.
This probably rules out Sunday July 21, or else there would be puddles in the street and
water collected in the awnings of the sweet shop to the right of the picture.
Another article from the New York Times about the storm reports:
GIANTS DEFEATED BY THE CUBS, 7-2;
French Outpitches Parmelee as Chicago Tops New York Second Day in Row.
GIANTS DEFEATED BY THE CUBS, 7-2
By JAMES P. DAWSON.
Special to THE NEW YORK TIMES.
July 21, 1935, Sunday
Section: SPORTS, Page S1, 916 words
CHICAGO, July 20. -- A thunderstorm held up today's skirmish between the Giants and
Cubs at Wrigley Field for close to an hour, but the downpour didn't provide enough
interference to save our Giants from their second straight setback at the hands of
Charley Grimm's clan....
This shows that the game was played after the storm. This rules out Saturday, July 20
because the people in the picture are leaving the stadium. Otherwise, the street would
be wet with the recent rain and the fans leaving the stadium would be wearing or
carrying rain gear.
Based on the fact that the fans are leaving the stadium and that there are no puddles of
water in the street we think the photo as taken Friday, July 19, 1935.
Confirming this date, Andy Hoh found an article in the NY Times reporting the very
large crowds that turned out for the games on July 19 and July 21. (See "How Andy
Solved the Puzzle" above.) Note that the crowd on July 20 probably wasn't as large
because of the storm.
GIANTS LOSE TWO TO CUBS; LEAD NOW GAME AND HALF;
Cards Gain as Terrymen Bow, 5-4, in 11th, Then Drop Nightcap, 11-5, Before
50,000 -- Root, Warneke and Herman Star.
By JAMES P. DAWSON
July 22, 1935, Monday
Section: sports, Page 10, 1231 words
CHICAGO, July 21. -- Thousands were turned away today as the biggest crowd in ten
years at Wrigley Field watched the Cubs thrust back the Giants in both ends of their
double-header to sweep the four-game series and make more precarious New York's
hold on the National League lead...
Further supporting this date is the fact that the game on July 19 was a Ladies Day game
and there are quite a few women in the crowd in the photo.
Ok, it must then be '35. I was thrown by the hats -- boaters -- which were much more
popular in the earlier thirties. The sign could have said 17-20 and been updated daily to
18-20 then 19-20. I never thought of the possibility that there was a hidden part! So, it
actually read 19-20-21! That use of the hyphen is unheard of today. I asked a friend
(cc'd here) who lives close to Chicago for help in this. He thought '35 and used the
automotive styles as his reason. I should have listened to him. Anyway, I really enjoyed
this one! Looking for dress and auto styles for clues was much harder than I
expected. I suppose that three years is just too close for that kind of thing. Thanks for
all the fun. Looking forward to more. Mike Swierczewski
This one was great! I loved all of the little clues to be found in the details.
This contest was fun. I spent a while trying to figure out the layout of the streets and
stumbled onto the website explaining the re-development of the ballpark which listed all
the neighbouring businesses. Case solved once I deciphered the street address. Of
course you can get more statistics than you would ever need about baseball on the net
so finding the year NY came to town July 19-20 or more (the building blocked any
further dates) wasn't too difficult. Good contest! Dave Town
I looked in www.baseballlibrary.com, which has practically every score of every game
for the history of baseball (who played who, which field, what score, and some
highlights of certain games). I then found out when Chicago was playing New York on
July 19-20 (figured it was around the ’30-’50 timeframe) at Wrigley Field (had to go
through about 15 “years” worth of scores to find the right one.) Carl Blessing
Thanks for the hint. Boy, some people sure get into baseball statistics, but I suppose
that's not much different from genealogists building databases of all the burials in a
cemetery. It all depends on one's interests. Looks like 1935. The Cubs lost to
Philadelphia on both July 16 and 17, so the picture was probably taken on either of
those days. Sandy Thompson
absolutely loved this quiz. I found a copy of the photo for sale on ebay – the seller
claimed it was from the World Series! He didn’t notice the men in straw hats and light
weight jackets, let alone the July date! The Bar Louie/Comedy Club part gave me
trouble. I used the new Google street level feature and drove around Clark Street trying
to determine which building of the two better matched Emrich’s! Keep them
coming! Deb Pritchard
This quiz has a bearing on one of my father’s old stories. Apparently, when he was a
teenager, he worked as an usher at Sportsman’s Park in St. Louis . In September 1935
when the Cubs came into town for the final regular season series against the Cardinals,
the Cubs had the prospect of extending a winning streak that was setting a record.
Also, the Cardinals were contenders and this series was the last chance to stop the
Cubs. As a consequence there were huge crowds of people trying to get into the
game. The stadium was selling tickets for standing room. My father was instructed
that he could seat some people on a row of folding chairs along the edge of the field
outside the foul line. Needless to say, those were great seats. Many people anxious to
sit there paid my father a gratuity for the privilege – he made quite a bit of cash (I think
he said it was over $100.). In the end, the Cards lost and the Cubs went to the World
Series. Thanks again for a great quiz. John Chulick
I figured the 21st might be hidden but I wasn't certain hence the guess. There was an
earlier series in 32 or somesuch where ny played chicago as well on the same dates so
it was tricky as you say. This was a really good one. Frederique Delapree
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|According to www.switchboard.com, the business
located at 3545 N. Clark St., Chicago, IL (as indicated on
the Emrich sign) is Bar Louie Wrigleyville,
Tel: (773) 296-2500.
|Answers to Quiz #138 - December 9, 2007
This picture is full of interesting details that have potential for telling us when it was
taken. Perhaps the most obvious one is the sign on the front of Wrigley Field
announcing the contest between the Cubs and New York, July 19-20. If we could find
out what year this happened, we'd have an approximate date for the photo.
According to www.rjays.com/Collectables/signs_imgs/102sinclairgasolinelrg.gif, H-C
Gasoline was one of Sinclair's earliest products and was common throughout
Midwestern states in the 1920's. In 1896, twenty-year-old Harry Sinclair of
Independence, Kansas, lost the family drugstore in a speculation just as an oil boom
was beginning in the area, and turned to selling lumber for oil derricks. On the side he
We already know that the picture as taken after 1926 when Wrigley Field was named.
So that dating the Standard Oil sign does not really contribute any more information.
in 1935, the 1936 Chevrolet
Standard and Master DeLuxe
now used the same
engine; that meant an increase of
five horsepower for the
Standard, and a decrease of one
for the DeLuxe. Just as
significant, both Chevy models
now also featured
the seamless steel Turret-Top body and two-piece vee'd windshield.
This 1936 model Chevy was apparently the first one with the two-piece windshield. So
the picture had to be taken around 1936 for this car to appear in the photograph. We
should check baseball schedules to see which year around 1936 featured a match-up
between the Cubs and a New York team on July 19 and 20. Keep in mind, too, that the
models for 1936 probably came out sometime in 1935.
1932 (as well as 1926) can be ruled out because the games were played July 17-July
20. In those days, they probably would not have updated the sign during the series to
reflect which games had yet to be played. The sign as probably done manually, so it
was probably put up before the game series and taken down afterwards.
1933 can be ruled out because the match was between the Cubs and Philadelphia.
1934 can be ruled out because the series was played in Philadelphia.
1935 could be correct, since the series started on 19 July, the match as between the
Cubs and the Giants, and the game as played in Chicago. The sign would not
necessarily show all the dates of the series if part of it were blocked by the building
next to the stadium.
1936 can be ruled out since the games were played starting July 18, and there was no
game on July 20.
The picture was taken in 1935.
|1. What was the approximate date?
2. Who won the game?
3. What stands today where Emrich had his body shop?
|Thanks to Mary Osmar for submitting this quiz.
|Brothers know, is 1060 W. Addison Street. During Cubs games, fans will often stand
outside the park on Waveland Avenue, waiting for home run balls hit over the wall and
out of the park. (However, as a tradition, Cubs fans inside and sometimes even outside
the park will promptly throw any home run ball hit by an opposing player back onto the
field of play.
Since 2006, its capacity has been 41,118, making Wrigley Field the fourth-smallest and
most actively used ballpark in 2006. It is the second oldest active major league ballpark
(behind Fenway Park), and the only remaining Federal League park. When opened in
1914, Wrigley Field had a seating capacity of 14,000 and cost $250,000 to build.
However, Zach Chambers sent in a photo-analysis indicating that the Emrich's original
location is occupied by a parking lot between Sports World and Bar Louie. We are
accepting both answers. If the parking lot is located at the exact place where Emrich
Himself Body Work once stood, it is possible that the city of Chicago renumbered the
1. July 19, 1935, probably between about 3 pm and 7:22 pm.
2. Cubs swept a four-game series over the New York Giants.
3. Bar Louie, 3545 N. Clark St., Chicago, IL.
Wrigley Field is a baseball stadium in Chicago, Illinois,
United States that has served as the home ballpark of
the Chicago Cubs since 1916. It was built in 1914 as
Weeghman Park for the Chicago Federal League
baseball team, the Chicago Whales. It was also the
home of the Chicago Bears of the National Football
League from 1921-1970. It was also called Cubs Park
from 1920 to 1926.
Located in the residential neighborhood of Lakeview,
Wrigley Field sits on an irregular block bounded by
Clark and Addison Streets and Waveland and Sheffield
Avenues. The area surrounding the ballpark contains
bars, restaurants and other establishments and is
typically referred to as Wrigleyville. The ballpark's
mailing address, as many fans of the movie The Blues
bought and sold oil leases, traveling all over southeast Kansas and
northeast Indian Territory by train and buggy. By 1907 Sinclair's
talent for picking successful oil investments made him the richest
man in Kansas. In 1916 he borrowed $20 million from New York
bankers to buy up undervalued assets in the Midwest, to build
new refineries in Kansas City and Chicago connected by a new
pipeline, and to combine those enterprises with companies he
already controlled. Thus, at age thirty-nine, he established the
Sinclair Oil and Mining Corporation, one of the ten largest
American oil companies. With the rapid rise of the automobile,
the conversion of ships and railroads from coal to fuel oil, and
the coming of World War I, demand surpassed supply and sales
soared. In 1926 Sindair Oil introduced its new high octane
gasoline, 'Houston Conentrate", H-C.
|1936 Chevy Standard or Master Delux
|Easy question first - Emrich's site (3545 N Clark) is
now occupied by Bar Louie Wrigley.
Now the picture. The cars and fashions place this
picture in the 1930s (the 4th 5th and 6th cars back
parked on the street definitely look later than 1920s
models, and if it was the 1920s, I would expect to
see more "Tin Lizzies".)
According to "Wrigley Field - an Unauthorized
Biography", the Collins and Weise coal yard was
abandoned sometime before 1938.
Checking the NYT archives, the NY Giants played
at Wrigley on July 19 and 20th twice in the 1930s -
in 1932, and in 1935.
The question is unsure of the date, but sure of who
won the game on whatever date the game was
actually played. In the 1932, the Giants and Cubs
split their July Wrigley series - in 1936, the Cubs
swept the Giants in 4 games at Wrigley July 19-21,
so the wording of the question points to the 1935
One thing that is noteable about the picture is the
size of the crowd. There were 2 big crowds during
that series. According to the July 20, 1935 NY
Times, the Cubs won the Friday July 19 game 9-3
"Before a ladies' day gathering of 26,700". Judging
by the number of women in the large crowd, I
would be willing to say that this could be the July
19th game. Because people dressed more formally
in public back then, it is hard to tell if these people
are wearing their "Sunday clothes" or not, so it
could also possibly be the Sunday July 21
doubleheader, at which "[t]housands were turned
away ... as the biggest crowd in ten years at
Wrigley Field watched the Cubs thrust back the
Giants in both ends of their double-header to sweep
the four-game series".
So it is either July 19 or 21, 1935 - and the Cubs
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streets so that the modern 3454 N. Clark
St. is Bar Louie, yet the parking lot exists
at the location of the original address of
3454 N. Clark St.
Bar Louie is a casually cool neighborhood
restaurant and bar specializing in oversized
signature sandwiches and hand-crafted
specialty cocktails in addition to an
extensive selection of small and large
A unique variety of drafts, bottled beers,
|The Quiz #138 with the historic Wrigleyville photo
was a real humdinger!
Cubs' fans may enjoy a YouTube recording of
veteran radio and TV broadcaster, Harry Caray,
leading the crowd at Wrigley Field in singing his
version of "Take Me Out to the Ball Game!" at the
|Wrigley Field: A
Celebration of the