by Margaret M. Phelan (p.164) on the website of the Butler Society
http://www.butler-soc.org/page12.html.
If you searched within The History, Architecture, and Antiquities of the Cathedral
Church of St. Canice, Kilkenny you'd find a section, starting on about p. 131, that
discusses the various effigial monuments found in the cathedral. You would find a
sketch of the tomb in the quiz photo on p. 136. You could recognize it by the ferret-like
animal at the foot of the effigy.
http://www.butler-soc.org/page12.html.
If you searched within The History, Architecture, and Antiquities of the Cathedral
Church of St. Canice, Kilkenny you'd find a section, starting on about p. 131, that
discusses the various effigial monuments found in the cathedral. You would find a
sketch of the tomb in the quiz photo on p. 136. You could recognize it by the ferret-like
animal at the foot of the effigy.
Some Quizmasters found this quiz easy, others found it
difficult. The best way to solve the puzzle was to search
on Google Books for "Viscount Thurles", which is a hint
provided by the plaque on the wall. This would lead you to
The History, Architecture, and Antiquities of the Cathedral
Church of St. Canice, Kilkenny by James Graves, revealng
the location as St. Canice's Cathedral in Kilkenny, Ireland.
Searching Google on "St. Canice Cathedral" +effigy would
lead you to the family genealogy of James Butler, Ninth
Earl of Ormond on
http://humphrysfamilytree.com/Butler/3rd.earl.ormonde.htm
l. You would find a photo of his tomb on this page.
Another hint at the location is found by searching on
"Butler Tombs", you would find a reference to Butler
Tombs and Furnishings in St Canice's Cathedral, Kilkenny
difficult. The best way to solve the puzzle was to search
on Google Books for "Viscount Thurles", which is a hint
provided by the plaque on the wall. This would lead you to
The History, Architecture, and Antiquities of the Cathedral
Church of St. Canice, Kilkenny by James Graves, revealng
the location as St. Canice's Cathedral in Kilkenny, Ireland.
Searching Google on "St. Canice Cathedral" +effigy would
lead you to the family genealogy of James Butler, Ninth
Earl of Ormond on
http://humphrysfamilytree.com/Butler/3rd.earl.ormonde.htm
l. You would find a photo of his tomb on this page.
Another hint at the location is found by searching on
"Butler Tombs", you would find a reference to Butler
Tombs and Furnishings in St Canice's Cathedral, Kilkenny
with different coloured marble from the four provinces of
Ireland.
There is a large collection of ancient stone monuments
with carvings going back to mediaeval times. Nicholas
Walsh, pioneer translater of the Bible into Irish is buried
here.
The ancient stone of enthronement for bishops, called
Ireland.
There is a large collection of ancient stone monuments
with carvings going back to mediaeval times. Nicholas
Walsh, pioneer translater of the Bible into Irish is buried
here.
The ancient stone of enthronement for bishops, called
The inscription above the tomb is for a much more
recent descendant of James the Lame. James George
Anson Butler, 5th Marquess of Ormonde was born on 18
April 1890, the son of James Arthur Wellington Foley
Butler, 4th Marquess of Ormonde, and died on 21 June
1949. He married Hon. Sybil Inna Mildred Fellowes (b.
1888), who was first cousin to Rt Hon Sir Winston
Leonard Spencer Churchill (1874-1965), former Prime
recent descendant of James the Lame. James George
Anson Butler, 5th Marquess of Ormonde was born on 18
April 1890, the son of James Arthur Wellington Foley
Butler, 4th Marquess of Ormonde, and died on 21 June
1949. He married Hon. Sybil Inna Mildred Fellowes (b.
1888), who was first cousin to Rt Hon Sir Winston
Leonard Spencer Churchill (1874-1965), former Prime
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| Answers: 1. SE corner, St. Canice's Cathedral, Kilkenney, Co. Kilkenney, Ireland 2. James Butler, 9th Earl of Ormond 3. He was poisoned in Ely House, Holborn, London, on 17 Oct 1546. |
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BUTLER is an occupational name, but it used
to have a slightly different meaning. In large
medieval households the Butler was the
person in charge of the wine. Since many
powerful nobles lived in fear of being
poisoned, this was a position of considerable
trust. There are a number of different
families called Butler, some of which can be
traced back to origins in different medieval
households in the British Isles. In Latin, the
name was Buticularius or Pincerna. There
used to be many variations in spelling, such as
Boteler, Boutillier, Botiller, Butiller, and
Botyller. Modern variations include Boutler
(France), Buttlar (Germany) and Buteler
(Argentina).
How the Butler Family Became Powerful
Theobald FitzWalter, or Walter, who
accompanied Henry II into Ireland, was
rewarded for his loyalty to the Crown in 1177
to have a slightly different meaning. In large
medieval households the Butler was the
person in charge of the wine. Since many
powerful nobles lived in fear of being
poisoned, this was a position of considerable
trust. There are a number of different
families called Butler, some of which can be
traced back to origins in different medieval
households in the British Isles. In Latin, the
name was Buticularius or Pincerna. There
used to be many variations in spelling, such as
Boteler, Boutillier, Botiller, Butiller, and
Botyller. Modern variations include Boutler
(France), Buttlar (Germany) and Buteler
(Argentina).
How the Butler Family Became Powerful
Theobald FitzWalter, or Walter, who
accompanied Henry II into Ireland, was
rewarded for his loyalty to the Crown in 1177
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The James "The Lame" 9th Earl of Ormonde whose effigy
is shown in the photo was 10th great-grandfather to
James George Anson Butler, 5th Marquess of Ormonde,
who is mentioned on the wall plaque. I can provide the
full descent for you to inclue if you wish.
This was much more fun to research, at least for me,
even though I can find no personal connetions to it this
time. That is, unless you count that the son James
Anthony Butler (1916-1940) was, according the my
FTM programme, half-15th cousin, 3 times removed, to
my wife. :-) Thank you. Brett Payne
*****
I am the Queen of Google.. <g> Initially I ought it was
related to the plaque above on the wall, but then realized
that the dates didn't jive; then spent a little time on the
Mountgarret red herring, too..
Took a while to find the cause of death, though.. FYI-
most sites say poisoned, as though it was a deliberate act,
but I've seen one site that referred to it as "food
poisoning" and made it sound like an unfortunate accident..
Mary Fraser
is shown in the photo was 10th great-grandfather to
James George Anson Butler, 5th Marquess of Ormonde,
who is mentioned on the wall plaque. I can provide the
full descent for you to inclue if you wish.
This was much more fun to research, at least for me,
even though I can find no personal connetions to it this
time. That is, unless you count that the son James
Anthony Butler (1916-1940) was, according the my
FTM programme, half-15th cousin, 3 times removed, to
my wife. :-) Thank you. Brett Payne
*****
I am the Queen of Google.. <g> Initially I ought it was
related to the plaque above on the wall, but then realized
that the dates didn't jive; then spent a little time on the
Mountgarret red herring, too..
Took a while to find the cause of death, though.. FYI-
most sites say poisoned, as though it was a deliberate act,
but I've seen one site that referred to it as "food
poisoning" and made it sound like an unfortunate accident..
Mary Fraser
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Built between 1202 and 1285
this graceful cathedral has
been preserved in its original
style. St. Canice's Cathedral is
richly endowed with many
stained glass windows. The
choir stalls are decorated with
fine continental carvings and
the sanctuary floor is paved
this graceful cathedral has
been preserved in its original
style. St. Canice's Cathedral is
richly endowed with many
stained glass windows. The
choir stalls are decorated with
fine continental carvings and
the sanctuary floor is paved
| Kilkenny Castle Seat of the Butler family. |
| Kilkenny Castle as seen from the River Nore. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilkenny_Castle |
with the hereditary title Chief Butler of Ireland. It is now the oldest surviving British
dignity. The family took their surname Butler from this. Theobald was awarded
dignity. The family took their surname Butler from this. Theobald was awarded
| Plaque at the site of the Abbey of Owenry, burial place of Theobald FitzWalter |
generous grants of land in counties Limerick, Tipperary and
Wicklow. The Butlers were also granted Baggotrath, Co. Dublin,
and the Stein River lands around what is now Trinity College
Dublin. Thomas founded the Abbey of Owney, Abingdon, Co.
Limerick c. 1196, built Nenagh Castle, Co. Tipperary, c. 1200.
He died in 1205, or 1206, and is buried in Abbey of Owney,
Abingdon, Co.Limerick (or "Wotheney Abbey, Co.Limerick").
The Butler Dynasty
Theobald Botiller, 4th Chief Butler of Ireland (d. 1285) was
the Butler who was awarded the Royal grant of the "prisage of
wines", which meant he was entitled to "about one tenth of the
cargo of any wine shipment that broke bulk in Ireland". In 1810,
Wicklow. The Butlers were also granted Baggotrath, Co. Dublin,
and the Stein River lands around what is now Trinity College
Dublin. Thomas founded the Abbey of Owney, Abingdon, Co.
Limerick c. 1196, built Nenagh Castle, Co. Tipperary, c. 1200.
He died in 1205, or 1206, and is buried in Abbey of Owney,
Abingdon, Co.Limerick (or "Wotheney Abbey, Co.Limerick").
The Butler Dynasty
Theobald Botiller, 4th Chief Butler of Ireland (d. 1285) was
the Butler who was awarded the Royal grant of the "prisage of
wines", which meant he was entitled to "about one tenth of the
cargo of any wine shipment that broke bulk in Ireland". In 1810,
| Butler Peerage First 650 Years (Partial List) Theobald FitzWalter Chief Butler of Ireland d. 1205 m. Margaret FitzGerald Theobald le Botiller 2d Butler d. 19 Jul 1230 m. Joan de Marisco Theobald le Botiller 3d Butler & Lord Justice of Ireland d. 1248 m. Margery de Burgh Theobald le Botiller 4th Butler d. 1285 m. Joan fitzJohn (Descendant of Charlemange) Edmund le Botiller 6th Butler, Styled Earl of Carrick & Lord Lieutenant of Ireland (1312-1316) d. 1321 m. Joan FitzGerald James Butler 1st Earl of Ormonde & Chief Butler of Ireland 1305-1338 m. Alianore de Bohun (granddau of Edward I, first cousin of Edward III) James Butler 2nd Earl of Ormonde, Constable of Dublin Castle & Chief Governor of Ireland 1331-1382 m. Elizabeth d'Arcy James Butler 3rd Earl of Ormonde & Lord Lieutenant of Ireland bef. 1376-1405 m. Anne Wells James Butler 4th Earl of Ormonde 1392-1452 m. Joan Beauchamp James Butler of Wilshire 5th Earl of Ormonde & Earl of Wilshire 1420-1461 m1. Avice Stafford m2. Eleanore Beaufort John Butler 6th Earl of Ormonde d. bef. 15 Jun 1477 Thomas Butler 7th Earl of Ormonde d. 13 Aug 1515 m1. Anne Hankeford m2. Lore Berkeley Piers Butler 8th Earl of Ormonde, 1st Earl of Ossory, 1st. Seneschal of the Liberty of Tipperary, & Chief Governor of Ireland abt. 1467-26 Aug 1539 m. Margaret FitzGerald James Butler 9th Earl of Ormonde, 2nd Earl of Ossory, & Viscount Thurles abt. 1496-28 Oct 1546 m. Joan FitzGerald Thomas Dubh Butler 10th Earl of Ormonde, 3rd Earl of Ossory, Chief Butler of Ireland, & Lord Treasurer of Ireland 1531-1614 m1. Elizabeth Berkely m2. Elizabeth Sheffield m3. Helen Barry Walter Butler 11th Earl of Ormonde 4th Earl of Ossory b. 1569, d. 24 Feb 1632 m. Helen Butler James Butler 12th Earl of Ormonde, 1st Duke of Ormonde, 5th Earl of Ossory, Earl of Desmond, Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, & Lord Steward of England 10 Oct 1610 - 21 Jul 1688 m. Elizabeth Preston, Baroness Dingwall Thomas Butler 6th Earl of Ossory Lord Deputy of Ireland Baron Butler 1634-1680 m. Emilia von Nassau James Butler 14th Earl of Ormonde, 2nd Duke of Ormonde, 7th Earl of Ossory, Earl of Brecknock, Baron Butler of Lanthony, Lord Butler of Moore Park, Earl of Ossory, Viscount Thurles, & Lord Dingwall 29 April 1665-Nov 1745 m1. Anne Hyde m2. Mary Somerset Lady of the Bedchamber Charles Butler 3rd Duke of Ormonde, 14th Earl of Ormonde, 8th Earl of Ossory, 1st Earl of Arran, Viscount of Tullogh Baron of Cloughgrenan, & Lord Butler of England 1671-1705 m1. Elizabeth Crew m2. Anne Airmine See also http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlki k/kilkings.htm#earl |
this rewarding office was declared redundant and Walter Butler, Marquess of Ormond,
fell heir to 2l6,000 pounds in compensation.
Consolidating their position, the Butlers ringed the country with castles, married
fell heir to 2l6,000 pounds in compensation.
Consolidating their position, the Butlers ringed the country with castles, married
noble Irish ladies, fervently built churches and abbeys and
went on the Crusades. Because of their closeness to the
English court, the Butlers collected at least 25 patents of
nobility, so that branches of the house of Ormond-the
main Butler designation--included such titles as Dunboyne,
Cahir, Mountgarrett, Galmoy, Ossory. There have been a
number of Butler bishops, including Edmund, Prior of
Athassel Abbey in Tipperary for fourteen years until 1537,
when Thomas Cromwell deposed him. The Butlers fell
victim to the Cromwellians, who feared their power in
Ireland. They were strong military men, who took part in
all the main battles from Agincourt in France to the Boyne
and Aughrim.
Thomas Butler, 7th Earl of Ormond (d. 1515), was
grandfather to Anne Boleyn, second wife of Henry VIII,
who, although she lost her head, provided him with the
daughter who was to become Queen Elizabeth I. This
fearsome queen features in voluminous Butler records.
Her cousin, the 10th Earl of Ormond, Thomas Butler
(d. 1614), who had been reared at the English court, built
a magnificent Tudor manor at Carrick-on-Suir, County
Tipperary, expecting her to visit him, which she failed to
do. Black Tom, as the 10th Earl of Ormond was
nicknamed, was a prime example. Three times married, he
had, apart from his legal offspring, twelve known
illegitimate children. One of his natural sons who received
considerable estates from his father, Piers Fitzthomas
Butler, according to a strong local tradition, was the fruit
of Thomas' affection for the Virgin Queen!
The Butlers and the FitzGeralds, the mighty Earls of
Kildare, despite intermarrying, were constantly feuding.
Between them they alternated the administration of Ireland.
The 1600s Forward
Eight Butlers held the office of Viceroy of Ireland.
Because of his fidelity to the royal house of Stuart during
the Cromwellian usurpations, Charles II raised James
Butler, the 12th Earl (1610-1688), to the Dukedom of
Ormond, together with a variety of other titles. James
played an important role in the affairs of both England and
Ireland. He was Lord Lieutenant of Ireland and Chancellor
of the universities of both Dublin and Oxford. He helped
incorporate the College of Physicians and founded the
Royal Record Office and the Genealogical Office in Dublin
Castle. Another of the great Duke's benefactions was
Dublin's Phoenix Park. Its 1,752 acres make it larger than
all of London's parks put together and it is still greatly
enjoyed by today's citizens. James, the lst Duke of
Ormond, described as a very straight man, a prime
example of the remarkable talents of the Butlers in the field
of administration, was awarded the distinction of burial in
Westminster Abbey. Read more...
went on the Crusades. Because of their closeness to the
English court, the Butlers collected at least 25 patents of
nobility, so that branches of the house of Ormond-the
main Butler designation--included such titles as Dunboyne,
Cahir, Mountgarrett, Galmoy, Ossory. There have been a
number of Butler bishops, including Edmund, Prior of
Athassel Abbey in Tipperary for fourteen years until 1537,
when Thomas Cromwell deposed him. The Butlers fell
victim to the Cromwellians, who feared their power in
Ireland. They were strong military men, who took part in
all the main battles from Agincourt in France to the Boyne
and Aughrim.
Thomas Butler, 7th Earl of Ormond (d. 1515), was
grandfather to Anne Boleyn, second wife of Henry VIII,
who, although she lost her head, provided him with the
daughter who was to become Queen Elizabeth I. This
fearsome queen features in voluminous Butler records.
Her cousin, the 10th Earl of Ormond, Thomas Butler
(d. 1614), who had been reared at the English court, built
a magnificent Tudor manor at Carrick-on-Suir, County
Tipperary, expecting her to visit him, which she failed to
do. Black Tom, as the 10th Earl of Ormond was
nicknamed, was a prime example. Three times married, he
had, apart from his legal offspring, twelve known
illegitimate children. One of his natural sons who received
considerable estates from his father, Piers Fitzthomas
Butler, according to a strong local tradition, was the fruit
of Thomas' affection for the Virgin Queen!
The Butlers and the FitzGeralds, the mighty Earls of
Kildare, despite intermarrying, were constantly feuding.
Between them they alternated the administration of Ireland.
The 1600s Forward
Eight Butlers held the office of Viceroy of Ireland.
Because of his fidelity to the royal house of Stuart during
the Cromwellian usurpations, Charles II raised James
Butler, the 12th Earl (1610-1688), to the Dukedom of
Ormond, together with a variety of other titles. James
played an important role in the affairs of both England and
Ireland. He was Lord Lieutenant of Ireland and Chancellor
of the universities of both Dublin and Oxford. He helped
incorporate the College of Physicians and founded the
Royal Record Office and the Genealogical Office in Dublin
Castle. Another of the great Duke's benefactions was
Dublin's Phoenix Park. Its 1,752 acres make it larger than
all of London's parks put together and it is still greatly
enjoyed by today's citizens. James, the lst Duke of
Ormond, described as a very straight man, a prime
example of the remarkable talents of the Butlers in the field
of administration, was awarded the distinction of burial in
Westminster Abbey. Read more...
| St. Canice Cathedral http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/p/m/2a2e55/ |
Saint Kieran's chair dates
back to earliest Christian
times.
Beside the cathedral stands a
round tower. This was used
as a watchtower and refuge
in pre-Norman times. It is
believed to have been built
back to earliest Christian
times.
Beside the cathedral stands a
round tower. This was used
as a watchtower and refuge
in pre-Norman times. It is
believed to have been built
| Cathedral Interior http://homepage.tinet.ie/~osrai/st_c anices_cathedral.htm |
around 849 and is around 100 feet tall. It lacks its original
conical stone cap but provides visitors with the best view
of Kilkenny City.
New research shows the old St Canice's was built on the
east side of the round tower closest to the River Nore.
The building appears to have been substantial and may
have been similar to the famous Romanesque churches at
Cashel and Ardmore.
The Normans demolished the original church in the late
12th century to cow local residents. The magnificent
cathedral that stands to this day was then constructed to
impress on locals the extent of Norman power.
conical stone cap but provides visitors with the best view
of Kilkenny City.
New research shows the old St Canice's was built on the
east side of the round tower closest to the River Nore.
The building appears to have been substantial and may
have been similar to the famous Romanesque churches at
Cashel and Ardmore.
The Normans demolished the original church in the late
12th century to cow local residents. The magnificent
cathedral that stands to this day was then constructed to
impress on locals the extent of Norman power.
| St. Canices Cathedral, Kilkenny, Ireland, Tombs of Piers Butler, 8th Earl of Ormonde (b. abt. 1467, d. 1539) and his wife Margaret FitzGerald (d. 1542) (foreground) and their son James Butler, 9th Earl of Ormonde (b. abt. 1496, d. 28 Oct 1546) http://humphrysfamilytree.com/Butler/Bitmaps/34.full.jpg |
| Thomas Dubh Butler "Black Tom" 1531-1614 |
| Sketches of Effigies on Lids of Sacrophagi James Butler Ninth Earl of Ormond abt. 1496-1546 (above) Piers Butler 8th Earl of Ormonde b. abt. 1467, d. 1539 and his wife Margaret FitzGerald d. 1542 The History, Architecture, and Antiquities of the Cathedral Church of St. Canice, Kilkenny By James Graves Google Books |
| Click on thumbnails to see larger images. |
| James Butler, Ninth Earl of Ormonde abt. 1496-28 Oct 1546 |
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The effigy is that of James (The Lame) Butler, 9th Earl of Ormonde, and is located in
St Canice Cathedral, Kilkenny, Ireland. The earl, together with many of his servants,
was poisoned on 17 October 1546 in London, while being entertained to supper at Ely
House in Holborn. He died 28 Oct 1546.
James was brought up at the court of Henry VIII, who apparently thought much of
him, and created him Viscount Thurles while his father was still alive. He was Lord
High Treasurer of Ireland for 14 years and was given no less than seven religious
establishments on the Dissolution of the Monasteries. The confusion caused by his Will
gave rise to the founding of the Irish Public Record Office.
The sarcophagus beneath the effigy is supposed to contain his heart, which was returned
from England. The remainder of his body, however, is buried at St Thomas of Acon, in
London.
http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/BUTLER.htm#James%20BUTLER%20(9°%20E.%20Ormonde)
St Canice Cathedral, Kilkenny, Ireland. The earl, together with many of his servants,
was poisoned on 17 October 1546 in London, while being entertained to supper at Ely
House in Holborn. He died 28 Oct 1546.
James was brought up at the court of Henry VIII, who apparently thought much of
him, and created him Viscount Thurles while his father was still alive. He was Lord
High Treasurer of Ireland for 14 years and was given no less than seven religious
establishments on the Dissolution of the Monasteries. The confusion caused by his Will
gave rise to the founding of the Irish Public Record Office.
The sarcophagus beneath the effigy is supposed to contain his heart, which was returned
from England. The remainder of his body, however, is buried at St Thomas of Acon, in
London.
http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/BUTLER.htm#James%20BUTLER%20(9°%20E.%20Ormonde)
Minister of the United Kingdom. The 5th Marquess's wife and son are also mentioned
on the inscription. Their son, JAMES ANTHONY, 1916-1940, unmarried.
See http://www.butler-soc.org/nextormond/tsld003.htm.
on the inscription. Their son, JAMES ANTHONY, 1916-1940, unmarried.
See http://www.butler-soc.org/nextormond/tsld003.htm.
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