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wearing in the
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McNeely) located in St. Joseph around this time period.
Talea ruled him out as the wholesaler due to the lawsuit
information and James D.’s relationship to the stockyards.
The PrePro Shot Glass Database (http://www.pre-pro.
com/City/MO/st_joseph.htm) lists J. D. McNeely a wine
dealer in the city of St. Louis, Mo. Between the years of
1869 and 1918. The researcher appears to have extensively
checked the city directories for the information used.
The Pre-Pro Website lists the following information:
J D MCNEELY
St. Joseph, MO.
Business name timeline:
James D McNeely (1869-1900), James D McNeely & Co.
(1901-1909), James D McNeely & Son (1910-1913), James
D McNeely & Co. (1914-1918)
NE cor 5 th & Messanie (1869-1885), 521-523 S 5 th (1886-
Appearance in directories:
1869, 1871, 1872, 1873, 1874, 1875, 1877, 1878, 1883,
1884, 1885, 1886, 1899, 1900, 1901, 1902, 1905, 1907,
1908, 1909, 1910, 1911, 1912, 1913, 1914, 1915, 1916,
1861, 1868, 1869, 1871, 1872, 1873, 1874, 1875, 1876,
1877, 1878, 1879, 1880, 1881, 1883, 1884, 1885, 1886,
1887, 1889, 1890, 1891, 1892, 1894, 1895, 1896, 1897,
|About James D. McNeely
Submitted by Marilyn Hamill
2nd: The words ? and Union are visible along with the letters MO are also visible and
are probably the abbreviation for the state of Missouri. The number 83 or 88 is visible.
This could be the date of the gathering. However, it could also be the date of original
establishment of the group or the date of the first annual gathering and this is a later
gathering in commemoration. It could also be part of their local union number.
I have serious reason to doubt that the number 83 or 88 is the union local number. A
|Answer to Quiz #263
July 4, 2010
report from the 16th annual Bakers’ Union convention in
1918 give the St. Joseph, Mo. Union number as 208. While I
am very uneducated about union rules and procedures as to
whether it’s possible for multiple union locals in each city,
The record indicated that Albany, NY union local No. 88 had
just merged with Albany local No. 10. Thus, it could not
have been chartered for St. Joseph, MO during 1918. See
Report from the 16th annual Bakers’ Union convention in
1. What city was this taken in?
2. At what intersection are they standing?
3. Why was the owner of the store involved in a lawsuit in 1893?
(Bonus: If you can figure out what organization these people belong to, you will
receive a gold star by your name. We know, but it's hard to figure out.)
I have not been able to make the connect with the people in the picture, but believe they
were all members of the Bakers Union. The bakery must have been nearby and they
gathered for a company picture at this location.
I will be interested in the final answer since I was born in Saint Joseph, MO in January
1932. You might be interested in knowing that my parents lived on Lookout Ave, but I
was born in a home on Charles St, while my Dad went to the hospital. He had an
emergency appendectomy, so my Mom went to her Mom's house to give birth. We all
did not go home to Lookout St for about 10 days. The doctor who delivered me was
Raymond Stacy and the attending nurse was my Mom's sister Daisy Jeffries.
I revisited St. Joe in October 2008 and both of those homes are still occupied. The
home on Lookout has been modernized and is very attractive. A home we lived in on
Prospect St is gone and there is only a vacant lot now! Bob Wilson
The group picture can only be a gathering of the Fraternal Order of Pillsbury Dough
Boys...close right? Steven Jolley
N. B. No, but you get the prize for the most creative answer. Q. Gen.
Here I raced and stayed up late on Sat night because I forgot to send in my solution
earlier and here it is Monday and the bakers are still standing around infront of
Mcneely's store. Their feet must be getting tired. Milene Rawlinson
Probably no gold star for me but I think it the Meatcutters Union Local 88, which now
the UFCW. Patty Kiker
GAR (Grand Army of Republic)? Dorothy Nagle
N.B. No, but good try. Q. Gen.
Now I’m laughing! I know those labels on their uniforms seemed to have a
photograph, but boy, did I bomb out on what they were. Guess I got tired of looking
at medals! Dorothy Nagle
The people in the picture are members of the Bakery, Confectionary, and Tobacco
Workers International Union. The banners indicate a union and I finally found the logo
of the Bakery, Confectionary, and Tobacco Workers International Union and it matches
the one on the banner shown at this web address. http://www.dol.gov/oasam/prog...
Since Mr Rick can only figure out court docs served against him, he will make a stab at
this-McNeely was getting stiffed on payments by a guy called Duffy who worked for a
railroad company. (Today Duffy's grandkids work for Bank of America!!!)
The bonus question-another quiz guess - a baker's union-getting ready to strike cause
McNeely doesn't have the money to pay them their wages!! Ok enough of this-we
need the Quizkids back to keep me in line!! Mr. Rick Mackinney
As a matter of interest, I found a death record (Apr. 2 1927) for James Edward
McNeely who was born in 1868 and eventually worked, perhaps managed, the
wholesale business his father started. On it his father is listed as James Dowd McNeely.
Amalgamated Meat Cutters? I give up. Debbie Johnson
N.B. LOL. C'mon. Do they look like butchers, especially with the word "bread" on
the banner? Q. Gen.
You're referring to an 1893 Kansas Supreme Court review of an earlier lawsuit.
N.B. Caught on a technicality. I was referring to the 1893 court action and read it
as a lawsuit. Q, Gen.
I was happy to have made at least some effort for the Baker quiz;I have an interest in
industrial history having been a Union rep most for my working life and, between 1980
and 1997 an Occupational Health and Safety Representative. Richard Wakeham
Dress and sign suggest these are Bakers. No bakeries on S. 5th St.. Doubt they all
work for McNeely, but possible. Signs are unreadable, but enhancement indicate 6 or
more words per sign beside bread. Not a Bakery name. They come from different
bakeries. The Bakers and Confectionery Workers International Union of America was
created in 1886 in Pennsylvania(first bakers union). These people may be celebrating
their becoming members of that union. Arthur Hartwell
As far as my gold star goes, I don't think I have it. My best answer that this is an early
American chapter of the Association of Master Bakers (A predominantly U. K.
organization), possibly the Trans-Mississippi Master Bakers Association or the Missouri
Master Bakers Association.
I learned a whole lot about the early U.S. labor movement (unions), the American
Federation of Grain Millers (AFGM), the early American Bakery & Confectionery
Workers International Union of America-(Now the BCTGM-Bakery, Confectionary,
Tobacco, & Grain Millers) (Organized in 1886), the Journeymen Bakers' &
Confectioners' National Union, the "Eight-Hour Day Movement" in the USA (1888-
1891). I looked closely at the coat of arms from the union banners, etc. The COA of
the British Association of Master Bakers Union has deer (stag) on it, and this COA does
not look deer to me!!!
The answer eluded me all week, and I'm anxious, and looking forward to find out the
correct answer. Also the ribbons on some of the people in the photo intrigued me, as
did the fact that are some females. Also I found an 1872 Building List in the St. Joseph
Morning Herald, 01 January, 1873 (Supplement), where a Michael Fitzgerald, Carpenter
& Builder, reports the following buildings erected by him during the year: Store for J.
D. McNeely, on 5th street; $5,000. Source: www.ci.st-joseph.mo.
us/history/1872_buildings.cfm. Also check out the photo of a J.D. McNeely Whiskey
shot glass photo on below Worthpoint website. Also, McNeely or his father was a
politician of sorts as an "alderman" of 1st & 4th wards of City of St. Joseph, in the
Cool puzzle, had alot of fun, learned alot!!! Robert W. Steinmann, Jr.
N.B. You had the right answer (The Bakery and Confectionery Workers International
Union of America) and you didn't even know it! Q. Gen.
A funny thing happened on the way downtown on the commuter rail last Friday night:
Struck up a conversation with a retired bakery worker. Back in the day, the baker's son
was a grade school football coach where I attended. He related that "Joe" would enter
the building every day from the far end and walk through the bakery plant to his office
- ie checking out things and talking to people. Mike Dalton
Bakers are assembled in their best “chef’s” clothing. Some
display what appears to be a type of ribbon pinned to their
chests as if this was part of an award ceremony. I believe
that there is a lone woman in the midst of all of the men. She
is standing directly in the middle of the group and between
the two well defined rows of men. The Missouri Red Book
of 1914-1915, published by the Missouri Department of
Labor, lists 1 lone female amongst the 1,006 male Journeymen Bakers' and
Confectioners' International Union of members. It also says that the sole female baker
was from Kansas City, Mo. It’s quite possible that this woman may be definitely
identified but it would require additional research.
In 1873 there were no less than a whopping confectioneries, three wholesale
As Talea tells us:
1st: The words Union ? & Bread are visible. . It displays a
symbol similar to royal heraldry which is the label for the
Journeymen Bakers' and Confectioners' International Union
of America. Two animals are lions with a crown containing
the letter B and two baker’s paddles in the middle.
1899, 1900, 1901, 1902, 1904, 1905, 1906, 1907, 1908, 1909, 1910, 1911, 1912,
1913, 1914, 1915, 1916, 1917, 1918
|[The photo was taken at] Fifth & Francis.
Where did you come up with Fifth and Francis?
If I recall correctly, there was a reference on
archive.org that I found by searching the business
name. The OCR was garbled, so the street might have
been named something other than Francis. I got called
away and didn't have a chance to finish searching the
address. Ben Truwe
Sanborn Fire Insurance Map of the
corner of Messanie & 5th, St. Joseph,
MO in 1888 showing a wholesale grocer.
however, there is a plaque of some sort hidden behind the hat of 5th baker on the
second row. The building is rather large and made from cut stone leading one to believe
that this is a well established business in an established location. A St. Joseph stock
yards was formed in 1887 and lists J. D. McNeely in the first directory. This
information ties him to St. Joseph and the meat trade. He believed in doing his civic
duty and was gracious enough to serve on the city council during the term of
1878-1879. It was more than likely that he was one of the 13 board of directors for the
St. Joseph Bridge Building Company which was formed in 1871 for the purpose of
building the Missouri River Bridge. While there was another J. D. McNelly (John D.
Many thanks to Talea Jurrens who turned in a spectacular analysis of the photo.
Much of the explanation below is taken from Talea's writeup. If you would like
a copy, please click here.
James D McNeely was an Irish immigrant who ran a wholesale groceries and liquor
distillery in St Joseph, Buchanan, MO.
He first appears on the 1860 census of St Joseph, Buchanan, MO as a grocer with
$3000 personal assets and $150 in property. He is living in the family of his future
wife, 15 year old Ellen Tracey, parents born Ireland, she born Missouri. He marries her
barely a year later and in 1870 the family included Annie L, born 1862, James E, born
Sep 1864, and May D, born 1867. James' personal assets total $30,000 and his
property $10,000. In 1872 he built a new store on the NE corner of Messanie and 5th
In 1880 his family also included William A, born Aug 1873, and J D, Jr, born Mar
confectioners and 10 bakeries. I believe
this is the Journeymen Bakers and
Confectioners' International Union. The
same or very similar photo was found
on the worthopedia price guide site. It
states that the photo was sold on Ebay
on January 3, 2007. I believe the
information given on that site regarding
the merger dates is not correct. A brief
history of the organization can be found
on the website of the Bakery,
Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and
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1. St. Joseph, MO
2. Northeast c 5th & Messanie Sts. at 521-523 S. 5th
3. Not fulfilling his agreement in paying Duff & Ellington for providing meat to
Wm. Plank & wife for boarding the workers of the Rock Island Railway Co.
Bonus: Bakery and Confectionery Workers International Union of America
Since the B. & C. W. I. U. was founded in 1886, this is the earliest date the
photo could have been taken. It's likely it was taken in 1888. (See below.)
|The only woman
in the picture.
|I think this was sent it by Linda Williams. It's been a while and I can't remember.
Robert W. Steinmann, Jr.
Susan E. Skidmore
If I have left your name off the gold star list,
please let me know. It was unintentional.
If you Google JD McNeely, you will
discover that he owned a wholesale
grocery store in St. Joseph, MO.
The 1868-1869 History and Directory of Doniphan County, Kansas
) lists him as a “dealer in staple & fancy groceries, wines, liquors, teas
& bourbon whisky". It places him at the corner of 5th and Messanie
Street during that time. Nothing of the building remains today.
No address visible on the building,
A review of the case syllabus shows that the lawsuit
originated from a petition filed by plaintiffs L. D. Duff &
John Ellson against defendant J. D. McNeely. It appears
that Mr. McNeely made two separate agreements with
these two men and they allege that he did not follow
through with complete payment as agreed. The first was
dated April 25th, 1887 in the sum of $682.00 for the
boarding expenses of one William Plank. This agreement
stipulated that the expenses amount to at least $1,400.00
and the C. K. & N. Railway Company reimbursed Mr.
McNeely. The second agreement was made on May
12th, 1887 in an unspecified amount. The agreement in
the form of a letter asked the plaintiffs to provide what
meat one Mr. F. Huff needed for his boarding house in
Horton, KS and Mr. McNeely would pay the bill. Mr.
Huff was boarding railway workers and working with Mr. McNeely, who in turn was
being reimbursed by the Chicago, Kansas & Nebraska Railway Company. After a large
amount of wheeling and dealing between the parties, Duff and Ellson alleged that
McNeely still owed a balance after all was said and done. The decision was appealed
and remanded over for further proceeding. The lawsuit lists McNeely as a wholesale
grocer and places him in St. Joseph in 1887.
His estate was involved in another lawsuit -- Daughter Annie L. McNeely Flynn sued
her widowed mother and 5 siblings to force the sale and division of property following
McNeely's death on August 10, 1899.
|A Brief History of the
Bakery, Confectionery and Tobacco Workers International Union
|The organization was founded as the Journeymen Bakers'
and Confectioners' International Union in 1886. In 1904, the
name was changed to Bakery and Confectionery Workers
International Union of America. In 1978, the union merged
with Tobacco Workers Union to create the Bakery,
Confectionery and Tobacco Workers International Union.
1875. There is a large gap between May and William that
can be explained in 1900, when Ellen states she had 11
children, 6 now living. In 1887 J D and others established
the St Joseph Stock Yards.
By 1900 James, Sr has died and there is an additional son,
Arthur, F, born Oct 1886. Ellen's elderly father and brother
are living with the family and son James E is now running
In 1910, both James and William are running the store and
there are 4 unmarried sons still living at home with mother.
John is a lawyer and Arthur an engineer. In 1920 only
James is still at home and he is the president of the wholesale
liquor company, not a good place to be in 1920. The other
boys have finally married and moved out, John going to
Kansas City, the others staying in St Joseph.
John was a Republican alternate delegate from Missouri to
the National Convention in 1912. Interestingly, he was the
lawyer for the State of Missouri against a liquor dealer who
sold alcohol on Sunday in 1906. He was also an Army
Infantry Colonel in the 2nd Army Corps, 35th Division, 70th
Brigade, 139th Regiment, in 1918, earning the Distinguished
Service Medal. He was an officer in the 40 et 8 American
By 1930 both Ellen and James E have died. William has a
family in St Joseph, John has divorced his wife and is living
with an insurance agent in St Joe and Arthur is living with
his wife, Marjorie Noble Doran and mother-in-law in St
Joseph. In 1933 John was a delegate to the Missouri State
Convention to Ratify the 21st Amendment repealing
|1880 Census (top)
1900 Census (bottom)
showing the J. D. McNeely
family of St. Joe, MO.
|IRS Tax Assessment List
J. D. McNeely
J.D. McNeely Wholesale Grocer was located at 521-523 S. 5th St. (NE corner of 5th
and Messanie). James D. McNeely resided at 701 S. 11th St., St. Joseph, Buchanan,
MO (SW corner of 11th and Locust). The home is now a residential care center for
|How Peter Solved the Puzzle
|I started by trying to find a union local that was 88 or 83,