Comments on: Crossing the Bridge http://forensicgenealogy.info/blog A Blog for Forensic Genealogists Everywhere! Sun, 17 May 2009 10:49:55 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Administrator http://forensicgenealogy.info/blog/crossing-the-bridge/comment-page-1/#comment-574 Administrator Mon, 11 Aug 2008 06:56:13 +0000 http://forensicgenealogy.info/blog/crossing-the-bridge/#comment-574 Nancy, Could you please resend your email address to me? I saw the email come in and now I cannot find it. Thanks. Colleen Nancy,

Could you please resend your email address to me? I saw the email come in and now I cannot find it. Thanks.

Colleen

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By: Nancy & Walt Copes http://forensicgenealogy.info/blog/crossing-the-bridge/comment-page-1/#comment-562 Nancy & Walt Copes Fri, 08 Aug 2008 14:44:11 +0000 http://forensicgenealogy.info/blog/crossing-the-bridge/#comment-562 Good news, an archivist at the Postal Hertiage Museum is interested. From the original, his opinion is the boy could be a telegram messager. FYI, starting 1875 the Royal Mail employed boys to hand deliver telegrams to physical addresses. My elderly British friend's opinion was "telegraph boy". She disagrees with the assumption of the adverts would be gone in August. Her opinion is "not necessarily". Will send my email address for hi res photo. Nancy Good news, an archivist at the Postal Hertiage Museum is interested. From the original, his opinion is the boy could be a telegram messager. FYI, starting 1875 the Royal Mail employed boys to hand deliver telegrams to physical addresses.

My elderly British friend’s opinion was “telegraph boy”. She disagrees with the assumption of the adverts would be gone in August. Her opinion is “not necessarily”.

Will send my email address for hi res photo.
Nancy

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By: Administrator http://forensicgenealogy.info/blog/crossing-the-bridge/comment-page-1/#comment-560 Administrator Fri, 08 Aug 2008 03:13:55 +0000 http://forensicgenealogy.info/blog/crossing-the-bridge/#comment-560 Nancy, I have a high resolution image I can send you if you give me your email address. Send it to CFitzp at aol dot com. Colleen Nancy,

I have a high resolution image I can send you if you give me your email address. Send it to CFitzp at aol dot com.

Colleen

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By: Administrator http://forensicgenealogy.info/blog/crossing-the-bridge/comment-page-1/#comment-559 Administrator Fri, 08 Aug 2008 03:07:19 +0000 http://forensicgenealogy.info/blog/crossing-the-bridge/#comment-559 Hi Nancy, I think the boy is too young to be a postman. How old did you have to be? That kind of cap might havve been the style back then. Could he have gone to a school that did not require him to have a uniform? Today a typical private school will require a uniform but a public school will not, at least not in the States. Colleen Hi Nancy,

I think the boy is too young to be a postman. How old did you have to be? That kind of cap might havve been the style back then. Could he have gone to a school that did not require him to have a uniform? Today a typical private school will require a uniform but a public school will not, at least not in the States.

Colleen

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By: Nancy & Walt Copes http://forensicgenealogy.info/blog/crossing-the-bridge/comment-page-1/#comment-558 Nancy & Walt Copes Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:52:18 +0000 http://forensicgenealogy.info/blog/crossing-the-bridge/#comment-558 The young man's uniform is similar to this 1894 postman. http://www.postalheritage.org.uk/exhibitions/movingthemail/useofhorses Have emailed postalhertiage.org, asking their opinion about our guy. The young man’s uniform is similar to this 1894 postman.
http://www.postalheritage.org.uk/exhibitions/movingthemail/useofhorses

Have emailed postalhertiage.org, asking their opinion about our guy.

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By: Nancy & Walt Copes http://forensicgenealogy.info/blog/crossing-the-bridge/comment-page-1/#comment-555 Nancy & Walt Copes Wed, 06 Aug 2008 13:05:45 +0000 http://forensicgenealogy.info/blog/crossing-the-bridge/#comment-555 Young man's clothes are not the blazer, white shirt, tie, and soft cap of English school boys. So, who walks the streets in a uniform carrying a sack? A postman ? A 1910-12 painting of a postman shows a similar flat top cap with short bill, and a soft sack hanging from the shoulder. Today the search is for photos of 1890 era English postmen. And show the bridge photo to English born friends. Young man’s clothes are not the blazer, white shirt, tie, and soft cap of English school boys.

So, who walks the streets in a uniform carrying a sack?
A postman ? A 1910-12 painting of a postman shows a similar flat top cap with short bill, and a soft sack hanging from the shoulder.

Today the search is for photos of 1890 era English postmen. And show the bridge photo to English born friends.

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By: Administrator http://forensicgenealogy.info/blog/crossing-the-bridge/comment-page-1/#comment-554 Administrator Wed, 06 Aug 2008 01:44:24 +0000 http://forensicgenealogy.info/blog/crossing-the-bridge/#comment-554 Hi Nancy, May 10, 1892 was a Tuesday. So maybe the 2 degress does make a difference. I think wall where the shadow of the boy's head appears in vertical, as is the place where the man's shadow appears. However, I think the latter curves outward into the exit, symmetrically with the wall on the left with the poster. Do the pictures of Nottingham students you found correspond to the clothing of the boy in the picture? Colleen Hi Nancy,

May 10, 1892 was a Tuesday. So maybe the 2 degress does make a difference. I think wall where the shadow of the boy’s head appears in vertical, as is the place where the man’s shadow appears. However, I think the latter curves outward into the exit, symmetrically with the wall on the left with the poster.

Do the pictures of Nottingham students you found correspond to the clothing of the boy in the picture?

Colleen

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By: Nancy & Walt Copes http://forensicgenealogy.info/blog/crossing-the-bridge/comment-page-1/#comment-553 Nancy & Walt Copes Tue, 05 Aug 2008 21:34:49 +0000 http://forensicgenealogy.info/blog/crossing-the-bridge/#comment-553 The photo was taken on a Wednesday if the boy is a government school student. Found this info about "higher grade school" (12- 16 yrs old) class time 25 -30 hours per week, no instruction on Saturdays. Day and Evening sessions. Evening session was for "artisans" i.e children who worked during the day Source: Report of the Commissioners by Great Britain Royal Commission on Secondary Education, 1895 www.books.google.com Class time 25 -30 hours per week, no instruction on Saturdays. Day and Evening sessions. Evening session was for "artisans" i.e children who worked during the day Nothing on school unforms, but I found internet photos of Nottingham High School students in uniforms in 1920. Don't know that 2 degrees makes a difference, but I'm a bit compulsive about vertical after remodeling a 45 yr old house. I rotated the image with a photo editor until the chimneys were vertical. I can send you the adjusted photo. Our concern is "Are the bridge walls vertical?" If they curve , the shadows are shorten or lengthen. Nancy The photo was taken on a Wednesday if the boy is a government school student.

Found this info about “higher grade school” (12- 16 yrs old) class time 25 -30 hours per week, no instruction on Saturdays. Day and Evening sessions. Evening session was for “artisans” i.e children who worked during the day

Source: Report of the Commissioners by Great Britain Royal Commission on Secondary Education, 1895 http://www.books.google.com

Class time 25 -30 hours per week, no instruction on Saturdays. Day and Evening sessions. Evening session was for “artisans” i.e children who worked during the day
Nothing on school unforms, but I found internet photos of Nottingham High School students in uniforms in 1920.

Don’t know that 2 degrees makes a difference, but I’m a bit compulsive about vertical after remodeling a 45 yr old house.

I rotated the image with a photo editor until the chimneys were vertical. I can send you the adjusted photo.

Our concern is “Are the bridge walls vertical?” If they curve , the shadows are shorten or lengthen.

Nancy

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By: Administrator http://forensicgenealogy.info/blog/crossing-the-bridge/comment-page-1/#comment-551 Administrator Tue, 05 Aug 2008 18:52:32 +0000 http://forensicgenealogy.info/blog/crossing-the-bridge/#comment-551 Hi, Do you think that 2 degrees makes much of a difference on May 10? If so, any ideas on how to correct the photo? Let me think about it too. Colleen Hi,

Do you think that 2 degrees makes much of a difference on May 10? If so, any ideas on how to correct the photo? Let me think about it too.

Colleen

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By: Nancy & Walt Copes http://forensicgenealogy.info/blog/crossing-the-bridge/comment-page-1/#comment-550 Nancy & Walt Copes Tue, 05 Aug 2008 17:17:10 +0000 http://forensicgenealogy.info/blog/crossing-the-bridge/#comment-550 Correction on the boy's elevation angle: 39 degrees not 48. My typing error. The guy's shadow measures the same. For Lat 52.57.00 N and Long 1.09.00 W for May 10 1892, the Azimuth degrees for 39 deg are 115 and 245. Azimuth of 245 is about 4:15 pm. We discovered building parts not level or plumb in the photo, so the image needs to be rotated about 2 degrees to compensate for the camera tilt. Nancy Correction on the boy’s elevation angle: 39 degrees not 48. My typing error. The guy’s shadow measures the same. For Lat 52.57.00 N and Long 1.09.00 W for May 10 1892, the Azimuth degrees for 39 deg are 115 and 245.
Azimuth of 245 is about 4:15 pm.

We discovered building parts not level or plumb in the photo, so the image needs to be rotated about 2 degrees to compensate for the camera tilt.

Nancy

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